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This is interesting…I need to find find the source for this again and post it with it. HaY

IMPARTATION is Doctrine of Demons http://www.discernment.org/articles/impart.htm
1 Tim. 4:1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,

Imparting the anointing is a common practice among Charismatics. The practice got its origins from earlier revivalists such as Maria Woodworth-Etter and Aimee Sample McPherson. It got to be commonplace during the New Order of the Latter Rain. During this alleged move of God it was taught that spiritual gifts, callings, healing, and delivering power could be transmitted through the laying-on-of-hands. This concept was vigorously fought by the formal leadership of the Assemblies of God. At that point the AOG denied that it was possible to impart these things through the laying on of hands (please see our on-line Discernment Newsletter which has a copy of the AOG letter written coming against this and other Latter Rain doctrines ).

Millions of people have gone to meetings at the Toronto Airport Church, Holy Bromptom Church in England, or the Brownsville Assembly of God to have hands laid on them. For what purpose? To receive an impartation of the Holy Spirit or to receive the “blessing” flowing in those meetings.

Let’s begin with a logical question. If a Christian has been born again, then, they have all of the Holy Spirit there is to “have” at the moment of conversion. There is no subsequent infilling with the Spirit after conversion. This is purely a Wesleyan concept which the Pentecostal’s took over.

1 Cor. 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

I have given a Biblical explanation of why there is no subsequent baptism of the Holy Spirit on the web site.

Since Christians have the Holy Spirit at conversion . . .what does another person have to impart to them? Biblically each Christian has all, 100% of the Holy Spirit that anyone can have, thus there is nothing of Him another person can impart through hands being imposed on them.

Thus, if one has The Spirit, what is it that one receives when a person lays hands on him? I can testify from my personal experience that when hands have been laid on me at various times and by various people that I felt power flow into me. At times this power was so great that it literally caused me to fall to the floor. I was not faking it, as I have seen some others do. It was a literal, real experience of something greater than my body could physically stand up to.

When my wife got up to the platform at a Benny Hinn meeting she too was floored by a power greater than she could withstand. What was this power? There are no easy answers, but this much is certain, it was not the power of the Holy Spirit flowing from the person of Benny Hinn.

Now from a charismaniac world-view we were taught that this was the power of the Holy Spirit flowing into us. Or we were receiving a heavier anointing for some new facet of personal ministry, etc. At the time this made sense. Keeping in mind that we believed in a subsequent infilling/baptism, so for us, there could be many repeated infilling, or as we said “greater heights and deeper depths in the spirit.”

The Texts We Cited:

Romans 1:11 For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;

That’s it, the only time the term impart is used in the entire NT of the KJV. In the Greek the term for impart is metadidomi, met-ad-id’-o-mee; from Greek 3326 (meta) and Greek 1325 (didomi); to give over, i.e. share :- give, impart.

In examining this passage we see some very important aspects. First, who is speaking? Paul the apostle. To whom is he speaking? The Church at Rome. Paul desires to impart to these believers some spiritual gift (pneumatikos charismakos) that those early Christians may be established.

There is no problem if one wants to teach that the Biblical apostles of the Church had the ability to impart spiritual gifts to help establish the early Church. In fact, if anyone will do a close reading of the book of Acts they will find that when the Holy Spirit came in power (as we like to say today) it was always due to the direct ministry of the apostles or their indirect ministry, such as Peter preaching at Cornelius house and while Peter preached the Holy Spirit came upon them (Acts 10:44).

The ability to impart charismatic gifts was the sole realm of the apostles. Philip preached to the Samaritans but when it came to time receive the Holy Spirit (again please read my article on why this is not a valid citation for subsequent baptism) Philip had to allow Peter to do his ministry.

Acts 8:19-22 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. 20But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. 21Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. 22Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.

What was Peter’s response? He cursed the man for several reasons. The man was first not an apostle, so he was in presumptuous sin, secondly he thought he could buy this ability. You simply do not find anyone other than an apostle bestowing any type of gift through the laying on of hands.

Furthermore when you read the letters from the apostles they do not detail in any way doctrine regarding impartation of gifts or anointings. Why not? Because the apostles and their congregations understood this was something that was apostolic. It was proof of their ministry, it was a sign which validated their work. Paul in 2 Cor. 12:12 appealed to the signs he worked as proof of his apostleship.

Signs and wonders were never part and parcel of the Christian life or experience as far as normal everyday believers were concerned. The only ones who worked great miracles in the NT were either the apostles or those they had imparted charismatic gifts unto according to the will of God (1 Cor. 12:11). Signs and wonders were not everyday occurrences. When the Samaritans received the Holy Spirit it was a shock to the believers in Jerusalem. Why? Because 10 years had passed and that experience was unique to the Day of Pentecost. It was not an everyday happening. We seem to loose sight of these facets of Biblical truth when we read the book of Acts.

If one is honest with God’s Word and themselves then one must admit that the texts used to attempt to prove the validity of imparting gifts today belong solely to the true original Biblical apostles.

When the original apostles died there were no more apostles after them. Their job was done, they laid the foundation for the Church which God has been building upon for almost 2,000 years. Notice that when the apostles were near the time of their death that they wrote absolutely nothing regarding who would receive their apostolic mantle. Why not? Because they (and again, their congregations) knew that there were no more apostles after these men.

So when the apostles finally passed from the scene and those to whom they had imparted gifts passed away . . . then the supernatural gifts ceased. We never read of the apostles disciples imparting gifts to others, and then those disciples imparting to others. In other words, there is no historic record of any type of apostolic succession of supernatural gift giving via impartation. If Paul laid hands on you and the Lord chose to give you a gift, that was your gift, you did not have the ability to pass it along to others. Only the Roman Catholics believe things like this historically. It has never been a Protestant belief or orthodox practice.

Where Does This Leave Us Today?

If you are one who believes in some form of divine impartation via a human instrument it leaves you up the proverbial creek without a Scriptural paddle!

Since the genuine ability to impart ceased with the death of John, this means that since that day whatever people think they have been imparting to believers has in fact been deception at best, or the giving of a counterfeit spirit/experience at worst.

How Do You Account For These Experiences?

To begin with to preach and teach a doctrine of impartation is to teach a false doctrine. There is no valid imparting of spiritual gifts via human instrumentality today.

A great number of peoples experiences are due to their own mind-set. Look at it this way:

bullet I am in a large congregation.
bullet The pastor/prophet/evangelist is calling for people to come to the altar.
bullet People respond.
bullet Then other men line up behind them.
bullet Hands are laid on the folks, they begin to fall down and are appropriately caught by the catchers.

A mind set was created as soon as the catchers arrived! If no catchers had come up, how many would have fallen down? Not many, if any (I used to be a catcher, I know these things). It is amazing how many people will fall when another is there to catch. In over 15 years of charismania I saw possibly 3 people (I was one of them) fall without a catcher present.

So in many cases the falling and the feelings are pre-conditioned emotional responses. A percentage of them are simply faked, i.e. people equating falling with spirituality (any charismatic knows exactly what I am saying is true).

It gets tricky however when hands are laid on you and you do feel a real, legitimate force hit your body. Something beyond the normal little “zap” you are used to. Since we know from the Bible it is not a Biblically approved experience, it must be chalked up to strange fire. Strange fire is defined by me to mean people intruding into the spiritual realm where they have not been given any divine mandate.

Since people are involved in unscriptural practices from the get-go, i.e. teaching and believing various heretical concepts and practices, they are open to further deception and the enemy of our souls is more than glad to provide spiritual experiences for those already in delusion.

Where we see impartation being fully practiced is in occult religions, especially eastern forms of mysticism. People have the serpent power, the Kundalini, awakened in them through the guru or master laying hands on the disciple. The things these people manifest are identical with those being manifested in Toronto and Pensacola. PLEASE GO TO THE KUNDALINI CONNECTION AND READ ALL OF THAT SECTION.

In closing, no man or woman has anything to impart to you via a supernatural experience or gift through their hands. It is now a false doctrine and is demonic because it is deception. Those who claim to lay hands on folks, who then are thrown through the air (a common occurrence according to Steve Hill at Pensacola) are doing so by occultic demonic power and not by the Holy Spirit.

I recognize that some are no doubt offended by the above statement. For that I am sorry, but I urge you to think for a moment. If God is in the business of knocking people down by His sovereign power . . . why then do you need a catcher? If God knocks you down, then He is God enough to see to it you are not hurt! Why are modesty clothes placed over the women? Would not the all-knowing God minister to these sisters in such a manner where their modesty would not be compromised? How do you explain these 2 simple questions? How do you explain the complete lack of contextual Scriptural evidence for this practice being continued today? How do you explain the silence of almost 1,800 of Church History regarding such a practice and belief? Pentecostalism is less than 100 years old in America.

I am open to respond to any well reasoned discussion on this or any matter. Just do not e-mail me with your experience and thus the practice is justified. I can take you to Hindu ashrams and you can talk to folks who after their Kundalini was awakened have produced admirably fruit in their lives. I want to hear Biblical reasons, and then historic orthodox reasons to believe this practice of impartation is valid for the Church today. Selah……..

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Next Article:

Is the anointing tangible and transferable; can we impart it?

Hebrews 6:1-3 “Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.”

The laying on of hands has become an enlarged subject because of its use in the church today. The Bible considers it part of the ABC’s of doctrine along with repentance and baptism.

In the Old Testament It was a symbolic act accompanying a prayer for a blessing, at other times it was accompanied the word of prophecy being spoken or to affirm one into ministry. There is no Biblical basis for associating laying on of hands with a transmission of a mantle or transferring the anointing from one person to another.

It is found in the book of Acts as the practice to commission someone into ministry. The laying on of hands has become a Pentecostal tradition that is removed from its original meaning in Scripture. Touching people on the forehead or chest so they fall is considered a sign of the power of the Holy Spirit. But none of this is found in the Acts of the apostles or taught in the Epistles that instructed the church.

Paul writes–1Timothy 4:14: “Do not neglect the gift that is in you, which was given to you by prophecy with the laying on of the hands of the eldership.” In other words, God spoke what he was doing in Timothy and they approved of him into ministry even though he was young. What was this gift? The previous verse tells us V.13-Till I come, give attention to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.”

Paul laying hands on Timothy was not with the intention to pass on a gift or power or result in the abnormal behaviour as we see today ‘It affirmed the gift they saw working in him which resulted in his appointment to be a pastor. Timothy came under attack as a young pastor and Paul had to reaffirm to him in 2 Timothy 1:6-7 “Therefore I remind you to stir up the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands. For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.” In other words he should not cave under pressure from others because of his youth, he was approved by God and through the apostles.

What does this have to do with what we see today? Next to nothing. What we see are people lined up as the anointer comes to lay hands on people in line or sporadically wanders through the audience touching them to pass on what he has.

Yet Paul counseled Timothy in 1 Timothy 5:21-22 :“Do not lay hands on anyone hastily, nor share in other people’s sins; keep yourself pure.” Timothy was to lay hands on people as approval for their call into ministry, but he must make sure.

A power called the “anointing” is being transferred by the touch of one person to another, however, the message of the Christian faith was to be spread by teaching from one to another. One is subjective and the other is objective.

Paul instructs timothy ‘And the things that you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit these to faithful men, who will be able to teach others also.’ (2 Timothy 2.2) True spiritual growth comes through the testing of our faith, by our consistent reading, understanding and applying the Word in our lives. NOT by an impartation or a experience at a special meeting. Those who promise a quick transformation from a touch or impartation, are not delivering the truth that is taught in the Bible.

Many today are taught to get an impartation from the anointed preacher. There is no need when Scripture states we all have the same standing before God; all believers have the same Holy Spirit and Christ as our mediator. We can all receive from Jesus, who is the one we should all be seeking. Going to a certain person or meeting to seek an anointing by impartation is unbiblical. No other person is to be our mediator to receive the Holy Spirit. Whenever men become mediators, Christ’s teachings diminish and men’s teachings increase. We are then giving them, not the Lord control over our lives.

Laying hands on the sick to pray is not the same as imparting the spirit and watching them buckle.

A ‘transferable anointing’ is not seen nor practiced anywhere in Scripture. We also find that the Apostles did not rush around laying hands on people to impart an experience of ‘fire’ or power. They did not chant words over and over and expect a immediate response. The impartations done today that come through certain men are not the true anointing, who is the Spirit of God. Only God can give the Spirit; Jesus is the baptizer of the Holy Spirit, not man. Man cannot control God- there is no teaching on how to obtain or release the anointing to another.

Acts 8 is an interesting passage in which Philip preaches in Samaria and many people are saved, but Peter has to come from Jerusalem to lay hands on the people so that they might receive the Holy Spirit. When Simon the Sorcerer sees something spiritual happened and he offered to pay for the ability to pass on the Spirit to others. Acts 8:19-20 “Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”

One wonders what would be the difference of today’s signs and wonders preachers that claim this ability. Peter said ‘Your money perish with you because you thought the gift of God could be purchased with money. … Repent therefore of this your wickedness and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you. For I see that you are poisoned with bitterness and bound by iniquity.’ (Acts 8.22-23).

Corinthians reads ‘Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God who has also sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.’ We have been sealed with the Holy Spirit living inside us. 1 John 2.27: ‘These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you. But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things and is true and is not a lie and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.’ The anointing who is the Holy Spirit is in us, it is He who guides us into the truth so we can glorify the Lord Jesus (John 1613-15). We certainly are not glorifying the Lord when we go to men to get the Holy Spirit, it is a lack of understanding and a lack of faith.

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32 Responses to “Spiritual Impartations? Is it biblical?”

  1. Justine Says:

    this all sound more like typical Brethren, fundamental Hysteria, crap still..

    I know that many time godly hands were laid on me and it was next a change in my life specifcially too, is even why you are reading this post.

    1. John Says:

      GOD lives and transforms us by his Holy Spirit we can do nothing by ourselves – it’s all Jesus – if God wants to touch you afresh he will. It took Paul 20 years to be fully transformed from “why do I do the things I do not want to” to “I am the fullness of Christ…” I have so much evidence personally of the Holy Spirit touching me anew that now my pray is always with scripture “How much more will your Farther give the Holy Spirit to those who ask”? … I also reflect on the virgins who had run out of oil (Holy Spirit) and asked if they could have some from those who had kept topped up!… Christ will return and seek those with the clear light shinning – do not be lukewarm or Jesus will vomit you out of his mouth.

  2. hitherandyonder Says:

    Hey Justine,

    I’m a bit confused. So are you saying that the people who say impartations aren’t biblical are promoting “typical Brethren, fundamental Hysteria”? I couldn’t comment since I’m not familiar with the Brethren denomination.

    Also, you comment that you have had positive experiences with prayer and people laying hands on you in prayer? This is a common practice among Christians, but is different than the impartations of Todd Bentley and others. They are saying a special power is transferred.

    Are you saying you have experienced that?

    I think that many pentecostal types accept the view that impartations are desirable…

    1. John Says:

      just had an impartation of wisdom – what more can I say?

  3. Garrett Says:

    Funny thing…your article actually helped reinforce the concept of impartation for me.
    Thank you.

  4. The Rhyming Prophet Says:

    As a seasoned Christian experiencing many revivals over 38 years I too am fascinated with “the anointing” as you are. I have experienced both demonic and angelic visitations of power. If you can bypass your analytical carnal self and just believe what scriptures say about “stirring your spirit man” which is basically a virtous love energy that yes as born again believers are all endowed with 100% giftings. But living in this world and our soulish realm of mind, will and emotions deplete that circulating flow to the full. Our disobedience and attitutes dull that light and power within. If a prepared believer who does fast, pray, spends hours in the Word and submits fully has 100% wattage of that power then it can be transferred by the grace and mercy of God to one who lacks at their time of need.In a line up it is like hungry baby birds with mouths open ready to receive. Those who are not desperate that power bounces off and is not received. The needy do receive and yes that power for the earthly bodies have difficulty containing so “fallout” in the spirit. I have great faith but grateful for catchers having many injuries. The floor afterall is solid matter. The energy source is from God and like all things godly can be counterfeited by Satan in other cultural practices. That energy just is not agape love and virtue that flowed out of Jesus when his hem was touched in scripture.That same energy can be transfered but always be careful who lays hands on you in prayer. Not all well intentions are holy ones. Unfortunately,unless the receipient takes ownership then stewardship of that power to nurture it throught the Word, faith and living a godly life then the effects of the transfer is temporary. Following a major injury in 1991 I spent 6 hours a day in prayer, fasting and the Word. A believer speaking 24/7 with Jesus since a child and not myself this was still a time of intense intimacy. I saw white mist fall on church members and minutes later called out for prophesy or had a testimony. I saw light from heaven shine on individuals and they would get up to speak. I then became active in the gift of prophesy. The spiritual awakening the world seeks is “time spent”. More time..more prayer..more power.Another observation is we need to believe the back of the cross of complete healing of yes even from the “spirit of extreme pain” and infirmities as we do the front of the cross of salvation. We believe through a prayer of acceptance in redemption we will go to heaven yet the stripes of Jesus have less impact. People cry for revival and “The Great Awakening” and I wrote a well known female minister last year to say we do not need to “wake up” a blind church. We need a revolution and change in attitudes. He cries today to be first in our lives and for us as believers to walk in love. He will come for a Bride that is spotless without blemish and yet we wonder why He tarries. The answer to your article: Let us all fill our own “love tanks” stirring our own spirit man in love, virtue and truth.If someone needs some of your overflow, then be gracious and loving enough to deposit that into their “tanks” but encourage them to do more never to get in that place again of need and want because the Word and time alone with Him fills us and His mercy is new every morning.I hope this is helpful to you and your readers.

    Blessings to all.
    The Rhyming Prophet

    1. Brady Mayo Says:

      The Rhyming Prophet,

      I have to say that your article sounds a little New Ageish. You write, “If you can bypass your analytical carnal self and just believe what scriptures say about “stirring your spirit man” which is basically a virtous love energy that yes as born again believers are all endowed with 100% giftings. But living in this world and our soulish realm of mind, will and emotions deplete that circulating flow to the full. Our disobedience and attitutes dull that light and power within.” This is not biblical at all. I call this New Age Charismatic love language. Sounds sort of 60′s like.

      1. Mara Jones Says:

        Diddo on that. This is all new-age with a bit of scripture mixed in.

      2. hitherandyonder Says:

        Language is important. Much sounds New Agey, but that doesn’t mean it is. That way of speaking about God and faith has infiltrated our culture, but then again, much of the lingo New Agers use comes from the Bible and has just been out of our parlance for so long (until recently). I can’t judge the writer’s intent without knowing more.

        I have definitely learned that my choices and behaviors can inhibit the flow of the Holy Spirit greatly. In fact, I think we get greatly contaminated by living so deeply steeped in our culture that we are usually unaware of how much we are impacted negatively, and how much we miss from the Lord because we are not tuned in to His voice. It’s kinda like all the toxins our bodies absorb from the pollution in our physical environment that we aren’t even aware of until our blood levels are tested!

    2. Joshua Says:

      Rhyming Prophet,

      Part of the fruits of the Holy Spirit is temperance (self-control).

      Galatians 5:22-23
      22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

      I am 22, and for 6 years have been indulged in this practice and doctrine. If we are truly honest with ourselves when it comes to scripture, we can admit what we practice concerning impartation has no valid evidence. The New Age concepts and practices have mixed and mingled with the scriptures of God’s Word. When witnessing people being “imparted”, by the laying on of hands (including myself) they usually bursted into uncontrollable and sensual movements, which is clearly the opposite of what temperance and self-control is. It’s by the powerful and silent truth of The Word Of God that we always dismiss for the “better” and more “relevant” , that we can continue to edify, teach and encourage other believers in the fulness found in the Word of God, who is Jesus Christ Himself.

  5. Brady Mayo Says:

    This article is on the money. I have seen some very creepy and unbiblical things come out of the charismatic movement. A man by the name of Al Meyers came to our town a few years ago and caused some division within our church. He came bringing “gifts” and alot of bizzare stories. He met with many of the women in the church in hotel rooms and caste out demons. He also performed diliverences. His very last day passed out a hat and asked for support for his ministry. My wife game him $4,000.00 of her inheritance. He told me he would be back, but he never came back. He got exactly what he wanted and I got nothing but deception and lies.

    1. hitherandyonder Says:

      So sorry for your bad experience with a possible charlatan!

      Yes, there are a lot of “creepy and unbiblical things” coming out of movements such as that. It is common for people to get lost in phenomenon and lose sight of the Lord. We are creatures easily seduced and distracted.

      On the other hand, tons of crappy unbiblical things have come out of traditional church like legalism, religiosity, critical spirits, etc. We are a church full of sinners with lots of bad habits.

      I prefer to avoid the excesses on the side of emotional and physical displays, as people get acting so much in their carnal selves. But, God moves today and we need to learn to discern His actions from the other junk out there. The enemy loves to counterfeit. If we stay close to Jesus versus following charismatic human leaders, we won’t be so easily deceived.

  6. terry Says:

    When Paul was talking to the saints at Rome and he wanted to impart some spiritual gifts, in the context of the scripture he was not speaking of the laying on of hands.As great as the nine spiritual gifts are, we know that they don’t establish anyone. We know that the word of God can only establish one.Paul was talking about explaining to them more perfectly The Word of God. John 8:32. I don’t believe in impartation.2Cor.11v4 another jesus=another spirit.They preach another Jesus.”idoltary”

  7. Andy Says:

    So how do you explain this scripture:
    Acts 8
    14When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them. 15When they arrived, they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into[c] the name of the Lord Jesus. 17Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

    They had accepted the word of God, i.e. became believers yet had not received the spirit? Peter and John placed hands on them and they received the spirit. Pretty clear Biblical basis for at least some of the practices wouldn’t you say? Unless you have a different interpretation?

  8. Andy Says:

    Also an even more specific example where a gift is given by the laying on of hands:

    1 Tim 4:14 “Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through a prophetic message when the body of elders laid their hands on you.”

  9. Ron Says:

    Dear brother(? I cannot find your name),

    I agree with you completely on the “circus” with the charismatic assemblies and conferences, seeking baptism in the Holy Spirit, impartation of spiritual gifts and so on. I am not and never was member of the charismatic movement, but because of my ministry involvement (I am founder/director of a prison ministry since 1985), I have been to very many such conferences, churches, meetings of both confessions (evangelical and catholic) even.

    I have seen for instance Benny Hinn on 2 occasions in Europe and although found his personality sympathetic, his teachings were off and the rest was show, or rather a business! The man became a millionaire of course, through preaching this (other) gospel.

    However, your theological claim that the position of the “apostle” would have stopped after the death of the original 12 (or 13, to include Paul), and “signs and wonders were never part and parcel of the Christian life or experience as far as normal everyday believers were concerned” (quoting you from above), I cannot find in the NT either!

    Starting with the latter, Jesus’ words (ordering the Great Commission) in Mark 16 are:

    15He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

    To me, that is “signs and wonders” par excellence! And I cannot find in it a limitation of those only to the 11 apostles he was speaking to; read verse 17 again! All these signs and wonders can be seen in ministry around the world today, through regular Christians. Not all the time of course with any one person, but amazing things happen continually! Are there fewer demons in the world today than during Jesus’ lifetime on earth? I don’t think so, just open a newspaper or turn on the TV.

    There is nothing mentioned about apostolic succession, true, but the remaining 11 (Judas was dead of course) chose someone else to replace him (Acts 1:12-26, even with Peter´s explanation why he had to be replaced, etc.).

    Paul was never elected by any of the 12, but said about his calling himself (in Gal. 1): 1Paul, an apostle — sent not from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead.”
    Was he an auto-appointed apostle? In a way it could have appeared that way, but there was no doubt that Jesus Himself had appointed him to this position, undisputed even by Peter, the leader of the apostles.

    Now concerning the spiritual positions: Eph. 4:
    11It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12to prepare God’s people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

    Where does it say here that the office of apostle would cease at some point? Or that of a pastor, or teacher? When we have attained the whole measure of the fullness of Christ they will cease, but I doubt we have reached that point already.

    There has been an over-reaction by some protestant theologians to try to interpret scripture related to that particular office (of an apostle) to have been just for the original 12 (or 13 – which is a problem with that theory already, how could Paul say he was an apostle with nobody to corroborate his claim?), in an effort to discredit the RC churches claim of the “apostolic succession” and supposed authority of the “pope” of this church. In other words, if there were no more apostles after, say, 90 AD, then there could have been a pope either! But that’s not the issue here. The issue is that the office of apostle is still valid until the Lord comes back!

    It is argued that the apostles were only there to write down the canon of scriptures, the found and establish the early church(es) and after that all was accomplished (was it ever, most of those churches founded ceased to exist a couple of hundred years later), the office was no longer needed. If that was true, Christian mission would have ended in 90 AD too and no-one in the world outside of the small stretch around the eastern Mediterranean would have had been saved and no other church would have ever been established!

    I believe all church founders and missionaries along the ages have had the spiritual office-gift (because that’s what it is, basically) of the apostle.

    Was Patrick an apostle to the Irish and British? Yes of course.
    Was Martin Luther an apostle to the Germans and the church in general, Yes he was.
    Was Hudson Taylor an apostle to the Chinese? Yes of course.
    And so on. Had they not had the spiritual authority in this case from the Holy Spirit to establish new churches, or reform corrupted ones, they never would have been able to establish what they did in their own strength.

    Many blessings! Yours in Christ, Ron

    1. hitherandyonder Says:

      Ron,

      Thank you for your experienced response. I completely agree with you! I didn’t write the above articles. I was just collecting them for different perspectives as I explored the issue. Since that time, I have learned more and will add other insights later.

      Your ministry is wonderful. I was involved with Prison Fellowship in college. What a valuable place to minister.

      Blessings to you!

      1. Marty Says:

        Why write or quote something that you don’t really know what you are saying?

      2. hitherandyonder Says:

        Actually, I do know what I’m saying, which you would see if you read my comments. I was posting some articles with different viewpoints in exploration of a current topic (at that time). I think healthy discussion & reasoning of the word is not only good, but mandated in the bible. Of course, the lack of courtesy, respect and love exhibited by so many “Christians” online is disturbing.

        My God is great & the most high God. I have no fear of questions. God can handle it. In him we live, move, and have our being. We don’t have all the things of God figured out. I would rather fellowship with a follower of Jesus, who is full of his love, but with incomplete theology than someone full of pride, religiosity & the need to be right w/o exhibiting any of Christ’s great love (& even “perfect” theology). and I’m not saying you fall in latter category!

        Discussing the things of God is a good thing. I appreciate all the thoughtful responses to these articles I did not write.

        Hope that answers your question.


  10. Thanks for this work on spiritual impartation it is the best article i hve read that has increased my belief in spiritual impartation. It is true we can do nothing against the gospel but for the gospel. I come visit a tru church of God where spiritual impartation takes place also you are in error regarding whether there can be a susequent infilling of the holy ghost….. it happened initially in the 1st chapter of acts and again around the 3rd throught 5th chapter a second time. Actually Acts 2:4 and susequently again in Acts 4:31

  11. Shannon Says:

    If impartations are not real or from the Lord, (wich I peronally have experienced), then what about when the deciples said to Jesus that someone was driving out a demon in his name and they wanted to stop him. Jesus told them that if he was driving out a demon in his name then he is for us “whoever is for us is not against us”. And what about at the end of the gospel of Mark 16:17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover. That isn’t Paul or Peter’s accout, that is Jesus our Lord and saviour. And let’s not forget this Mark 3:29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin. Please be careful. If you are not divinely sure of what you are saying to be fact, please PLEASE don’t risk your salvation on it. I beg you. Remember Romans 14, the law of liberty.

  12. Apostle B Says:

    There was a time in my life when I also did not believe that people were being filled with the Holy Spirit comining from a strong missionary baptist back . One day as I was studying the bible and reading the book of acts, and 1Cirubthians I simply said God if this is real today then give me the infillling (baptism) of the Holy Ghost. That this will get you really stirred up;
    Not long after that He filled me with the Holy Ghost and no one laiyd a hand on me, No one laid a hand on the 120 or more men women, boys, and girls in the upper room on the day of pentecost. I did not believe in demons either until I had an encounter with a women who was possed,

    Then I guess you do not believe in laying on hands for healing. If you would do your research you will find that medical doctors, scientist believe in hands being laid on for healing. It is well documented and they are not able to explain why. If you reasllly search the scriptures you would find that Chrsit said we would do greater works.

    The teaching that you have everthing you need at the point of salvation is a deception from satain to keep the body of Christ from really tapping in the the power that the Holy Spirit desires to give unto us/

    I would guess you do not believe their are prophets and apostles today.

    I am who God says I am. Apostle, Prophet and Teacher S. Beander
    Blessings

  13. tim Says:

    as a christian for thirty some years i woud have to say you are in delusionment to say something against the body and bring such delusion, isnt what Jesus would do, remember if its from God, dont touch the anointed you might just be fighting against God hummm, i wonder, and im praying for your soulish mind set, love in Christ

  14. Lourdes Says:

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  16. “Imparting annointings” didn’t start with Amiee or Marie but with Jesus and then, with His disciples as many were healed in their shadows, and god’s word speaks about the laying of hands, so i really wish God’s church would get off the lables of “charasmatic, penticostal, etc” and get in line with what we were called to do as apostles from the beginning.

    when did things get so complicated and why can we not follow what Christ told us to do, why do churches talk about penticost yearly and yet frown on the exhibition of the Holy spirit…

    bless you all!
    lisa

  17. Leon Abrahams Says:

    I don’t agree with you regarding Apostles today. They are as real as the biblical times. Ephesians 4:11 onwards make it clear that the 5 graces of God are there for the equipping of the saints… Untill we all come to the unity of the faith… and we are far from there… That is just one scripture but i’ll will give more clarity on that as the conversation continues…. Therefore, impartation is real and I believe that the only impartation that can take place is the impartation of Christ to the believers… Christ is the mystery Paul spoke about He ought to be imparted into believers. The 5 graces are 5 dimensions of Christ and each one needs to impart that dimension of Christ into believers…

  18. Brian Says:

    If the recieving of the Holy Spirit happens at the moment of “conversion” as you say, then how do you explain Acts 19:1-7???

    Act 19:1-7, And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were you baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. Then said Paul, John truly baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
    When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
    And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spoke with tongues, and prophesied. And all the men were about twelve.

  19. Goddite castro Says:

    Why don’t you believe preaching the gospel ends with the apostles .please don’t speak evil of what you don’t understand Christianity is not about personal perception,notion or conception but what is written in the scripture. so you need the spirit of God to understand for letters kills it is the spirit that give life.God bless you

  20. Esaia Says:

    May you please explain on your statement of “we have all of the Holy Spirit on our convertion” based on what Peter and John did at Samaria after Philip presented the Gospel to them. Didn’t they (Samaritans) receive the Holy Spirit by the laying of hands? Weren’t Peter & John men? I understand the Simon part asking out of evil motives, but don’t overlook the first part of receiving the HOLY SPIRIT by laying of hands, as well as Acts 19:6.


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  22. michael Says:

    on the other hands, Father, Son and the Holy Spirit is the same yesterday, today and forever more. Time is not an issue for the Almighty God. The ‘custom’ is one shall accept Lord Jesus Christ first, then only the Holy Spirit will live in him/her. what if it is the Holy Spirit touches a person first and cause him to accept Lord Jesus Christ as his/her personal savior. And if only God want to raise up an apostolic church today again at especially those difficult to evangelize countries; with God, all things are possible!

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